Ubiquitous access for small animals?

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This page here originally just was a section on the page where giving animals access to one's table(s) and especially eating table(s) is described. The three pages that I created this week might have to be reorganized anyway. Since this section here grew quite large and was no longer consistent with the content on the previous/other page, I moved the content to here. I will have to work on that content but it is actually clear what is meant and as long as all safety measures are minded that I describe also on the page and that the ideas are slowly and only gradually tried out during several months or years, I have the impression that the risk of allowing a small animal access to one's bed (or sleeping place) over a ladder anytime or most time doesn't exceeds other risks of ordinary daily life nowadays. But if the ideas that I describe here are tested without the described precautionary measures, it is risky and that should not be done at all. Strictly follow the precautionary measures described on the whole page and read the whole page through several times first in terms of safety or precautionary measures before even considering to really begin to test some ideas.

  • Wouldn't it be an interesting (but also to a certain extent risky) idea to put ladders on one or several sides of the bed or sleeping place where one sleeps in order to give the animals also the free choice to use come into one's own proximity even when one is asleep? And what about the likelihood that one of these animals might also roam over the surface of one's own body when one is sleeping? But doesn't such a possibility of animals arriving in one's sleeping place when one is sleeping evoke several UTSARA implications:
  • for example wouldn't there be the risk that sudden human moves might injure/squeeze an animal which would be a similar problem like the tramping on problem on the floor? But wouldn't there be an additional risk compared to the floor-problem since the human would be sleeping and it would not make much sense to produce a warning sound like in case of tramping on an animal where the person is awake and can react immediately?
  • the animals can freely choose if and when and how long and how to roam over a human when it is sleeping. important is that the animals are known to never have bitten (especially/more important in case of rats than mice) on an individual level and that they are constantly well-enough fed (but not overweight) so that the likelihood that an animal individual might accidentally or deliberately bite is sufficiently low. the main risks are bites where the person does not awake immediately and where in the course of the remaining night an infection might develop and the only body parts where bites are dangerous regardless of infection is probably the eye (but probably not or less in case of mice), so either no allowing rats to climb on the bed when they want and only allow it to mice or just having enough trust in the rats and also know and trust them well enough individually that they will not bite you in the eye during the night? so, there is actually a mutual UTSARA issue in the case of "bed access" for animals: the animals not being squeezed accidentally during nightly moves and the humans not being injured in terms of general infection risk on all body parts because not waking up for several hours (and the infections spreading) or in terms of bite into the eye
  • Bites and especially relatively deep bites from animals are especially risky and they must be treated promptly with disinfectant while it must be insured that the disinfectant sufficiently reaches all parts of the bite cavity, including the deepest parts, please read the following page fully before reading further: Animal bites and the associated risks
  • beside the eye, a serious problem might be a rat bite into the finger joints of a baby because the deeper structures of a finger joint of a baby could be damaged, so in terms of rat-baby-interaction, be very cautious. mice - but I am not sure about that - probably don't have the necessary mouth size to significantly damage the finger joint of a baby when they bite exactly into the finger joint a baby, but rats, I a not sure?
  • by the way, every mother that has to decide if she takes her baby into her bed when she is sleeping also has to decide how risky this is for her baby and for the comparably smaller rat or mouse, this would be even more the case
  • don't forget to mention the ladders: the animals must be free to roam to/from the ladders on the table(s) and bed(s) at any time. it is the animal that decide if they like such interactions or not and when they want to retreat. as far as the humans are concerned, they can also decide when they do not want the ladder at all (and the mother decides for her baby if the baby likes it), so everybody is free to allow or not allow to happen such an interation
  • every activity where the humans are still closer to their phylogenetically inherited consciousness could be done together with the animals and access to one's table (including when eating) and one's bed are probably the two main possibility since eating and sleeping bring the humans back more closely to their subconscious states and the animals can understand the humans better when they are close to a human during the eating and sleeping activity of a human
  • document as many interactions with a video camera and publish as many video files as possible. if an accident or incident happens, communicate it immediately, openly and transparently and update/readjust the list of safety precautionary measures (UTSARA) which should also be public
  • analyze the contents of mouse and rat urine (including distinguishing the biological sex/gender of the animals) thoroughly and professionally: what is insider and how much is inside of each content? how acid is it? could it damage the (closed and/or opened and/or opening) eyes of a human adult, human child and especially human baby?
  • consolation by animals when one is ill and has to lie in bed (see above, but just being awake, so less risky)
  • strictly avoid that a baby is present during the first weeks and months of testing the ideas. find out how an especially docile and confiding mouse (and at a later stage possibly a rat too) might interact with an adult human when the adult human is awake. Afterwards, find out how it interacts when it is asleep. And only after you have several months of experience, allow children to interact in such a way. In case of a baby or a toddler, it might be necessary to wait even longer until the risks have been assessed clearly and thoroughly enough.
  • Isn't it unclear whether the animals choose to climb up the ladders into the bed at all? Will the animals decide to never visit the sleeping humans? Or will they visit a few times and afterwards no longer because there is no food there and they don't like the smell of the humans and only consider a human interesting when it is awake and interacting with them with the human hand?
  • Don't wear artificial perfume because that might be a reason why the animals do not come
  • Conclusion: It is risky what I suggest here. Don't implement all these suggestions at the same time or immediately. Only begin with the most docile and peaceful and trustful animals and only allow them access to the ladders. Begin with mice and not with rats. Assess the risk of a rat bite compared to a mouse bite both generally and especially in relation to a human baby and especially in relation to the baby's thinner and more fragile eyelids and smaller and more fragile finger and maybe toe joints. Pay considerable attention to the risk of bites into the eye especially when an eye is closed during sleep. Is the eyelid able to protect the eye sufficiently in case of a mouse bite or even a rat bite? Don't let it happen, assess the biting depth before maybe by comparing bite depth of mice and rats in their food or when they bite into other things, the biting depth might be tested by putting objects (possibly several different objects with varying surface properties, densities and hardness, but not too hard) that smell in a hostile way in front of a mouse or rat so that it bites into it with full force and afterwards assess the biting depth maybe also with modern technology like computer tomography. and if it turns out that it is too risky, don't do it and do not implement at least some suggestions on this page here at all.
  • Test also if the urine of mice or rats could damage one's own eyes if one is urinated directly onto the head and urine might get into the eye and especially assess the risk for the eyes of a human baby which might be more sensitive than the eyes of an older human child or adult
  • Also check if illnesses could be transmitted by a mouse or rat just moving above one's own mouth (independent whether they are on the table generally or on the eating table specifically) by entering over the closed or half-opened lips when a human is sleeping
  • so the issues are: illnesses being transmitted in both directions but especially from an animal to a human, physical damage because of bites especially in terms of finger joints and eyes (and previously assess biting samples of mice and rats especially in terms of the risk for the finger joints and eyes of a human baby), infection risk because of bites (also with special attention to the baby and its still underdeveloped immune system), urination risk in the eyes (also with special consideration in terms of a human baby)?, risk for the animals of being tramped on on the floor or squeezed in bed, risk for the animal of being squeezed by a baby's hand too much (and therefore maybe also biting back), risk of a human baby trying to insert or bite the animal accidentally into its mouth (I am not sure about that, maybe the baby realizes it before that animal does not want to be that closely explored)?
  • if I read this proposals and especially the list of risks here after having written it myself, I am quite unsure if the more daring (extreme) ideas especially when it comes to allow the animal access to one's bed are really good or sufficiently safe ideas. But if such ideas are carefully, slowly, gradually and incrementally enough assessed and/or tested (and stopped if necessary), the risk might be justifiable for example when comparing it with other risks like vehicle (especially car) driving in nowadays world with non-automatized traffic but I am not sure even about that and a careful comparison of the risk (product of likelihood and expected damage) must be done. But I with my body of a human adult would personally prefer and deem it more safe to allow a mouse roaming over me at least for a short time (maybe sixteen 0x10 minutes) instead of driving one hundred forty-four (doz_100) kilometers, but maybe in case of the more fragile body of a human baby or toddler the risk is more significant.
  • if it turns out that something is too risky (not sufficiently safe enough, multiply estimated damage with likelihood), don't do it
  • i have not tested the proposals here, the only proposed interaction that I have personally tested or "experienced" is mice running on the top of me when I am lying flat and awake in bed and this is also not risky at least for me as an adult and when I am awake. every other proposal here on this page is intuitive speculation or guessing of me and it should be carefully assessed what is safe enough and what is not. I also never allowed mice to roam above me when I was sleeping but not because I was afraid but because my mother did not allow that I let the mice roam around freely in my sleeping room and if I would have slept the mice could have roamed freely in the room too since it would have been impossible (and also not animal-friendly) to just restrict them remaining on my bed
  • another specific area where small animals could have access to would be one's own workplace. The usual workplace of many people nowadays, including many mathematicians, is a conventional desk. In case one would be working or developing robots, a desk, but also other venues within a house like for example a floor might comprise the workplace for oneself or shared with other people. But to which extent would it matter where and how one is physically working since these small animals would have access to all places including tables and desks? Therefore, wouldn't the visit of such an animal just everywhere and always be possible? To which extent would the spontaneous visit by a small animal like a mouse or rat might be a welcome alternation? In case that one would brood over a purely mathematical problem, wouldn't the spontaneous visit of such a small animal be more a challenge and an unwanted distraction than a source for (purely mathematical?) creativity? Might that not be yet another reason why such visits from respectively such interactions with small animals or entities might be more preferred by engineering and/or biologically minded humans instead of humans whose intelligence is on a such high level that they do not require the creative stimulation by a small entity from the real world running or moving around? Is there a distinction between mathematically truly talented and intelligent adults and children? Or would mathematically very talented children who ("have to"?) grow up with ubiquitously present animals not be affected much by the presence of these small creatures? Or maybe still be affected in a positive way and if yes why? Directly (emotionally)? Indirectly (via robotics)? Or indirectly-indirectly because the beneficial effect for the "engineers and the biologists" might enable better ways of learning (but what? mathematics? or only robotics?) or "just" more sustainability in order to still ensure mathematization? Therefore, might such human-animal interactions be primarily beneficial for prospective biologists and engineers while children being talented just in pure mathematics might at least benefit indirectly from it by having better and more motivated biologists and engineers as "auxiliary developers" of robotic technology that might improve the didactics of mathematics for everybody? Or is such a conclusion from mice and rats running around everywhere to a better mathematics drawn too far? And aren't the above considerations regarding such small animals also or equally transferable to small robots or robots generally regardless of their size? Small animals and robotics/robots being equally a maybe interesting and helpful but at the same questionable phenomenon for the people struggling for true and pure intelligence?
  • and don't forget mathematics (and robotics), the goal is not just to "become an animal", but learn mathematics in a better way. and if you are a prospective pure mathematician, you might not even need all this animal-baby interaction, so isn't this page here actually just for the "engineers" (see the mathematicians and "the engineers") and the intelligent but not ultra-intelligent people? so, isn't this page here just a democracy issue where the majority of people might indeed benefit from (see issue of (the) majority?), but actually the most important, most intelligent (few) people don't or hardly benefit from?